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Fw190-A5 1/JG 1 "Holland" nose markings..... a bit of history to the skin

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The last skin to unlock with the Fw190-A5 has a black & white checkerboard nose..... there is an interesting story behind the nose art......

In the spring of 1943 Jagdgeschwader 1 were operating from bases in Holland at Arnham-Deelen , thier purpose was to intercept Allied formation

on there way to and back from targets over Germany....

This photo taken in May 1943 show's a plain nose on this 1/JG aircraft... although it does show the recently applied National black / white spiral spinner

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By July 1943, the nose cowling on the 1/JG 1 aircraft were painted all white.... this was used to help unit ID during

combat and assist in forming back up for succesive passes against Allied bombers.........

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However.... by September 1943, the unit had to alter the ID scheme with the introduction of black horizontal stripes,

this was due to the arrival in the European theatre of early P47's with white rings on thier forward nose cowlings.........

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By December 1943, this had evolved into the checkerboard pattern, 1/JG 1 had black & white,

2/JG 1 painted thier's black & red, with 3/JG 1 painting thier nose's black & yellow..................

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This however proved to have consequences....... during the spring of 1944, while still at Deelen, the units aircraft had intercepted Allied

aircraft over Holland....on this day the AA gunners registered the approach of a group of aircraft at speed. Thinking that the Staffel was

going to do a fly past for moral...... they did not open up as the aircraft were identified with black & white noses. They were actually USAAF

P47's from the 78th Fighter Group with....yes Checkerboard nose's......... Deelen was strafed without mercy.

Almost overnight , the markings were removed , although there are some photo's showing 2/JG 1 still having the interim black & red

horizontal stripes as late as June 1944.... Just one small detail.... by December 1943 1/JG 1 Fw190's were mostly A6 models not A5's

Still Gajin still have added a lot of authenticity to the skins in game.... a nice touch. :rolleyes:

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good story boar...thanks for posting

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Thanks for the info! I'm close to unlocking the first Fw190-A5 skin, had only recently noticed there was a holland skin for it.

Small typo, it's Arnhem-Deelen. Anyway, does anyone have a pic of said in-game skin? I'm curious to see how it looks after these photo's.

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Typo.... ?... my Bad...... thats a Secondary-Mod ed-doomacashon for ya ! LOL .. here is the last Fw190-A5 skin, ignore the J54 crest & kill markings I put on............

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Thanks for that, that's a great story. :) Love things like this! +1 to you Sir. <S>

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Ok so having played this for a day or so I'm getting the hang of things. However, how do you unlock skins, where do you find them in the customize screen and are they in addition to the default Decal 1/2 slots? On a similar note, all I can find are kill marks for the USSR. Where or how do I find others?

Thanks in advance from the Ace. :-)

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Great contribution.

Long live the Luftwaffe.

The greatest air force in history.

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Great contribution.

Long live the Luftwaffe.

The greatest air force in history.

Ever studied any history? They didn't do so well in the period 1940-1945.

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Ever studied any history? They didn't do so well in the period 1940-1945.

And then didn't exist at all untill 1955. And then for long time were stuck (through goverment bribes) with one of the worst, most dangerous, unsuitable jets of all time. F-104 Widowmaker.

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Thanks for sharing a good story and great pics.

Ever studied any history? They didn't do so well in the period 1940-1945.

This is not a political statement.

This post is not to honor any war effort performed by any part.

But as of " doing well" in the term of producing effective fighter pilots, this shows that the Luftwaffe were able to educate highly competent pilots.

http://en.wikipedia...._II_flying_aces

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Sure they had great pilots, but that doesn't make them a great airforce.

A great airforce relies upon everyone from the bottom to the top - something which the Luftwaffe did not have.

EDIT: My original post was this:

"Yep, but who won the war?"

But I changed it to be something more constructive.

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Yep, but who won the war?

Thats not an assessment of quality.

That's down to money, politics, tactics, manufacturing abilities, supply, and overwhelming numbers. Pretty sure America has a good Air Force, but it it came up against, all of Europe's combined airforce plus Russia and Chinas, it wouldn't be so superior.

Think on.

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Ok so having played this for a day or so I'm getting the hang of things. However, how do you unlock skins, where do you find them in the customize screen and are they in addition to the default Decal 1/2 slots? On a similar note, all I can find are kill marks for the USSR. Where or how do I find others?

Thanks in advance from the Ace. :-)

Welcome to the game Turtle.........

Basically it goes like this.......

Skins are unlocked by getting player kils (not bots) "online only".... these are for fighters and some bombers skins are unlocked with players kills as well....although bombers in the main unlock skins by bombing enemy ground targets in online verus match battlefield domination. The list of skins and requirements to unlock them are viewed by pressing triangle (PS3) on main menu, this is the pilots profile menu. Use R1 to scroll to "skins".... you will be able to see the requirements to unlock each skin there.

Good luck and enjoy the game :good:

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Welcome to the game Turtle.........

Basically it goes like this.......

Skins are unlocked by getting player kils (not bots) "online only".... these are for fighters and some bombers skins are unlocked with players kills as well....although bombers in the main unlock skins by bombing enemy ground targets in online verus match battlefield domination. The list of skins and requirements to unlock them are viewed by pressing triangle (PS3) on main menu, this is the pilots profile menu. Use R1 to scroll to "skins".... you will be able to see the requirements to unlock each skin there.

Good luck and enjoy the game :good:

Thank you very much! Love the game, but unless you ask on here, there are a lot of facets that aren't covered in game at all. I didn't find out about WP and how to earn them until I saw something on here. This is a great community, I appreciate all of the info!

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Thats ok Turtle.........

Learning BoS is like learning to raise children.......... does not come with an instruction manual.........complicated and.....has endless potential !

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Actually the checkers were only on 1 Gruppe, and were only white and black. There were no red and black checkers, no any yellow and black checkers. These are constructs from recent times and guesswork basing it upon themes (i.e. the way noses were painted at a given time, and which gruppe had which color painted on them) but are not grounded in any reality.

Falkeins put it as succintly as possible here:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jg1%20fw190%20checker&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffalkeeins.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F02%2Fjg1-checker-nose-fw-190s.html&ei=FZR4UMDYJqnWyQHphYCIAg&usg=AFQjCNERjxshesg0Ib_D1WpKucDT_3RfQA

This is one of those things propogated by the Internet and poor research, and further spread by inaccurate scale model decals. Kind of like the 109F from JG2 with an all-red cowling. Didn't happen.

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Ever studied any history? They didn't do so well in the period 1940-1945.

It seems you are the one who needs to study history if you think they didn't do well in 1939 - 1944. The RAF almost collapse in the BoB.

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Falkeins put it as succintly as possible here:

http://www.google.co...D1WpKucDT_3RfQA

This is one of those things propogated by the Internet and poor research

Pardon me for saying .... is that not one of those potential mis-leading poorly researched internet quotes ?

Information complied from following books :-

Butcher bird : .....................Jessem Morten 1998

Fw190................................ G Swainsborough & W Green : David & Charles publishing 1976

Fw190 german fighter........ Heinze Nowarra ; Harleyford Publications 1973

London Imperial War museum Achive Library

Catalogue CBS55/3 Ministry of Aircraft production Official Records / Enemy Aircraft Evaluation / Unit Identification 1942-1943

Did not Peter Rodeike and Jochem Prien disolve their writting partnership on German Aircraft due to Rodeike's constant desire

for commercial gain over Historical research ?

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It seems you are the one who needs to study history if you think they didn't do well in 1939 - 1944. The RAF almost collapse in the BoB.

Almost. Didn't. Keep enjoying your blissfully ignorant life in the free world.

(Apologies Boar)

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Boar, excellent source material.

As for the war effort......

It seems to me,... That the fact that the Germans couldn't manage to take over an island country smaller than Texas, that was less than 600 miles/1000km from Berlin, speaks volumes about what the Germans could and could not accomplish against a determined country.

Somehow the Allies managed to plan an invasion into the whole of Axis controlled Europe from across the Channel, and you're telling me the Germans couldn't take over an island?

Frankly, I think you may not be giving the Brits quite enough credit there,... Give those men and women their due. They turned Germany on its heels more than enough times to prove their mettle.

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Almost. Didn't. Keep enjoying your blissfully ignorant life in the free world.

(Apologies Boar)

You sound like someone who doesn't want this world to be free, mason perhaps? But whatever, is not like you know anything about my life. And thank God I'm alive and healthy, I will definitely enjoy this free world and the good things of life, humanity and nature.

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You sound like someone who doesn't want this world to be free, mason perhaps? But whatever, is not like you know anything about my life. And thank God I'm alive and healthy, I will definitely enjoy this free world and the good things of life, humanity and nature.

Says the person who came here originally calling himself after The SS.

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Gilly, the great thing about the Internet. Reality doesn't matter, and someone can reinvent themselves and deny their past at will. LOL

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Says the person who came here originally calling himself after The SS.

An internet name doesn't mean s**t.

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